(), 69, said this Wednesday (6) that he considers the election to the White House a “very important step” towards his “dream” of contesting the 2026 election and returning to the Palácio do Planalto in 2027.
“It’s like walking a thousand steps, you have to take the first, you have to take the tenth. And Trump is a very important step,” he told Sheet the former president, for whom the Republican will send a message that his ineligibility would be a plot to take him out of the race.
Bolsonaro was convicted in 2023 by the (Superior Electoral Court) for abuse of political and economic power and misuse of the media after broadcasting and electorally using the event.
The former president is ineligible until at least 2030 and is still the target of other investigations. If convicted of the crimes involved in the coup plot, for example, you can take one and stay.
What is your assessment of Trump’s victory in the USA?
I always had a good relationship [com Trump]he was worried that Brazil would not become Venezuela. We began to understand each other better about steel, ethanol and other issues. I told him that north-south trade would be very good.
I asked, and he made our Armed Forces a great extra NATO ally [Organização do Tratado do Atlântico Norte]where we now have cheaper, faster technology and materials. And he was interested in making Brazil a radiator of democracy in South America. That was his main intention.
And how do you think his victory will reflect here?
It will reflect on the world. It is a country that is the largest democracy in the world, projects power, that asserted its strength, we had no conflict in the world while Trump was there. And he likes me.
I believe that just the fact of his election, what he has said about freedom, [empresário e dono do X] is on his side, it’s a sign to everyone that he wants democracy for the world.
Here in Brazil perhaps there will be a message from the very election we want, compliance with the laws, democratic rule of law not by lip service, but in practice.
What a comparison Mr. between your situation and his?
Almost everything that happens there happens here. There was , which had deaths. They tried every way to put it into his account. Of course, he is a person with a huge difference in relation to me, he was president of a very rich, fantastic country, he has good friends with everyone, the guy is a billionaire. He faced persecution from the Judiciary. I dodge here.
But it is still a sign for us to “do things right”. You know who’s on your side when you lose power. Some heads of state remained friends. One was him. I was the last head of state to recognize the victory of [Joe] Biden, he doesn’t forget that. And I know my place around him. I am to him as Paraguay is to Brazil.
The result strengthens Mr. become president again?
Being president sucks. I don’t know how I got to the Presidency. It happened. I gave my best. Were you prepared? It wasn’t. Despite 28 years in Parliament, when you see that chair there, you fall back. Now my claim [é a] to return. I have a dream. What is the dream? To help Brazil.
Does this dream of yours get stronger?
Walk past him. It’s like walking a thousand steps, you have to take the first, you have to take the tenth. And Trump is a very important step. Choose a good bench. Today it would have 20% of the Chamber and 15% of the Senate. It’s very little. I believe there will be a huge bench coming in 2026 [no Senado].
If this bench is confirmed, is there any intention of a rematch with the Judiciary?
The simple fact of being strong, there is no need to threaten. Parliament, in my opinion, has to be the Power of last word, the power comes from there, which has the vote. Then, the Executive. The Judiciary is the one who does not have the power to interfere in anything, the Judiciary is for resolving conflicts. Human beings like to be in charge and the gap appeared… For Lula it’s very good. With me, I had at least one intervention from the Supreme Court per week.
Mr. said he intends to go to Trump’s inauguration, but for now he can’t [está com o passaporte retido e proibido de deixar o país devido às ]. How do you intend to do it?
I will petition Alexandre [de Moraes, ministro do STF]. He decides. Eduardo [Bolsonaro] has a great friendship with him [Trump]. So much so that, out of 85 guests []he went and put two more inside, Gilson [Machado, ex-ministro de Bolsonaro] and Gilson’s son. He sees me as someone he likes, it’s like falling in love with someone for free, right? This passion came from the way I treated him, knowing my place.
And if Moraes to deny? If Trump invites me, I will petition the TSE, the . Now, with all due respect, the strongest man in the world… do you think he will invite Lula? Perhaps formally. Who will you invite from Brazil? Maybe just me. Is he going to say no to the most powerful guy in the world? I’m an ex. Is the guy going to get in trouble because of his ex? Do you think I’m going to go to them and stay there?
They’ve been wanting to frame me as a scammer for two years, fuck off, damn it. The guy has been with his wife for two years, I suspect she’s cheating on me and I’ve been sleeping with her for two years. And I’m investigating, you betrayed me, you didn’t betray me… get this thing over with quickly, be calm. Release these poor people who are imprisoned for 17 years.
So the next step is amnesty? Amnesty for January 8th. mine [anistia] There is a certain deadline to make certain decisions. I believe Trump would like me to be eligible. He’s going to have to say that, even if I had talked to him, he wouldn’t have said it. [Mas] I’m sure he would like me to come [a ser] candidate. It’s in the media, I don’t know if it’s true or not, I don’t talk about this subject, it’s the [Michel] Temer [MDB] vice [texto de um blog recentemente].
Would it be a good name for you? I don’t know, I don’t talk about this subject. I don’t rule out talking to anyone, even you. I don’t know… he’s a guarantor, he’s a former president. The impeachment [de Dilma Rousseff em 2016] It opened an opportunity for me to apply. There is no impeachment without a vice president.
O mr. Do you recognize any error, such as not having recognized Lula’s victory? I would never give a belt to someone like Lula. But what would you do differently? The Palace ministers [Casa Civil e articulação política, entre outros] they would have to be political, not the ones I put [militares]. In my relationship with the press, I was often very impetuous.
