The Federal Deputy (-SP) says she regrets in hand on the eve of the 2022 election in. “I should have gotten into the car and left.”
She finds herself abandoned by (PL), whose main allies was, and disagrees with the former president, who credits her defeat to (PT) in that election. “Not only did I like other people also lost friendship of the president the moment they needed,” he says.
Last week, the (Federal Supreme Court) to 5 years and 3 months in prison under a semi -open regime and the loss of mandate for illegal possession of firearms and illegal embarrassment with the use of a weapon. The trial is suspended.
Featured spokesman for the Bolsonarist speech against ballot boxes, she still.
To represent the right in the 2026 election, Zambelli defended the names of E (PL-SP). After the interview, the deputy sought the report and said she changed the idea about the answer, claiming to be too early to talk about an unferved scenario.
Like Mrs. Defines your current moment?
I’m in a more difficult time politically speaking. I never imagined going through such a situation. A possible arrest for a crime I did not commit. I consider this a political persecution.
Last Monday, the episode with the gun. How do you evaluate this speech?
I disagree with President Bolsonaro. I think it hindered, yes. But it did not have several days of disclosure of this image. It was simply half a day. I don’t think so many people have changed their minds about the vote they would give.
It is a very large weight to have heard that. He weighed a lot on my back. In fact, since 2022 I face depression because of this episode and had several very bad moments. Having heard it from him made me very upset.
Mrs. See, in a way, abandoned by former President Jair Bolsonaro?
Sim.
What Mrs. Wait?
I think I expected support. Since 2013 I support Bolsonaro. Before as an activist, in his causes, I helped in the 2018 election. Throughout the government. I think I was one of the most front lines inside the congress to defend the government, the president.
I expected to have some kind of retribution about this. That is, to count on his friendship in this difficult time. But I don’t think not only me, but other people also lost the president’s friendship the moment they needed.
Mrs. He intends to go to some act in favor of Bolsonaro, as on April 6 at av. Paulista?
No, I’m not going on April 6, because it’s about amnesty. If you arrive at the House to vote, I will vote in favor of amnesty, but I can’t endanger myself in the middle of my trial now.
And demonstrations in favor of the former president who will happen outside this?
I don’t know, I haven’t thought of going or not yet, but at first.
In 2023, in an interview with Folha, Mrs. He said that Bolsonaro should have been clear about what he thought, telling people to get out of the barracks, and also that he should be in Brazil to lead the opposition. Does this assessment keep?
I keep. I think he had to be in Brazil and had to tell people out of the barracks.
I should have clarified, or have done Live from outside, saying ‘I’m out of Brazil, now you no longer have a chance to go back’, and ask people to leave. This would avoid what happened next.
The former president still puts himself as a possible candidate, despite being ineligible. Like Mrs. See, who could represent the right?
There is Michelle, Bolsonaro’s wife, who is an excellent candidate. I think you are a good person and should have the support of the president. The Tarcisio [de Freitas] It is also another option.
I just hope we had this in advance, to tell us in advance for us to be able to work.
He [Tarcísio] Today is a person who also pleases the left, pleases the system, because he has a certain entrance through the STF, has friendship with some ministers. I think maybe Tarcisio is a good name from Bolsonaro’s perspective.
And from your perspective?
Eduardo [Bolsonaro] It’s a good name, but I don’t know if it would have the support of the population as a whole. And Michelle herself, I like her name a lot. No matter what Bolsonaro said about me.
Tarcisio, then, as a personal preference, Mrs. Wouldn’t it point?
At first, no.
The former president. Like Mrs. See these accusations, especially involving the?
I think it’s absurd. How does a device, a law that is within the Federal Constitution, be a blow? I think it has nothing to do.
First, because it was not actually placed. It may have been adventured, but it was not placed in a vote. And second that there was no blow. Lula had power, took power and continued in power in a good way.
What had was a demonstration with some vandals, with other people also defending the places a lot. I don’t think it had anything to do with the blow that happened in late 2022 and early 2023.
And about the?
I received a draft. It was a kind of a decree, such a thing, and I asked at the time to one of the legal people of President Bolsonaro, from the Planalto Palace, and he told me it was fake.
I don’t think the Bolsonaro, something that is printed, or that eventually arrived in his hand… it came to my hand too, and I didn’t have any involvement with the blow.
According to investigations, there was no indication or proof of fraud in 2022. Mrs. Do you consider that there were elements to implement a state of siege, defense or even article 142?
No, I don’t think. But I don’t think it’s a crime to study the subject.
At the end of November 2022, Mrs. He released a video that said, “January 1st, Messrs. Four stars, will they want to contain a bandit or the Brazilian nation? Isn’t it time to respond with a letter if it is apart. What Mrs. Did you want to say with ‘Is it time to position yourself’?
I think it was time for the generals to say whether Lula was a bad guy or not.
The next day there was one about alleged evidence of fraud at the ballot box, where there was a talk about any use of, and where Mrs. he was. The context of the video was of another type of positioning.
I can’t talk about it, because it is a reason for a lawsuit against me and is still happening [no STF].
The PF report in which the former president was indicted states that Mrs. he was . And that he would have told him: ‘Brigadier, mr. You can’t leave the president in hand. ‘ What Mrs. Did you mean?
In fact, I said to give strength to the president. The president had lost them and I told him to give the president a strength. He, at the time, answered nothing. And he says in the Federal Police that he replied that he wouldn’t do anything illegal, something like that. He didn’t answer that. He lied in his testimony.
Was he silent?
No, he said something else that I don’t remember well what, which has been a long time. [Se ele tivesse dito isso] I would have said, ‘I’m not asking you to do anything illegal.’
When Mrs. It says giving the former president a strength, was there an expectation that there would be any way for him to keep in power?
Existed, yes. There was the possibility, for example, that Article 142 puts not it in power, right, but the armed forces in power, and then make a new election and such with a printed one.
But so were comments from some people and that we didn’t really see that really happen, we had no action to happen.
But there were meetings and conversations within the government, according to investigations. Mrs. It’s saying that this didn’t happen …
I did not participate. We heard, right, he heard, but I didn’t participate in anything.
‘Giving a force’ could be within the eventual use of article 142?
I didn’t say anything that could imply it.
Mrs. It was and has a majority for the conviction. Do you believe you will be able to reverse these cases in court?
In the case of cassation, we have the now, to appeal. Of course the chances are low, but we will turn to and will try. [Senão] Not only do I lose my mandate, but the deputies who were taken with my votes.
Regarding the conviction of the Supreme Court for illegal possession, I still have hope. I think the rapporteur minister, and the other ministers who have already voted, they may not have seen my size [de arma] There in my defense, but I had federal size. [Gilmar aborda esse argumento em seu voto]
[No caso das armas] Mrs. Do you consider it proportional to what happened?
It was proportional because it had a shot. And the moment he had the shot and the policeman fell to the floor, he [Luan Araújo, o homem perseguido] He was in the act, the policeman had given him a prison voice. There were four men who not only offended me, spit on me, cursed me, pushed my son and pushed me too.
Then, when he runs away and I hear the shot, I just sack the gun after the shot. So she was proportional, because when she has a shot, you can draw your gun … In fact, even before the shot I could withdraw the gun, right?
Then we learned that the shot had been fired by the policeman when he fell. But I, listening to a shot, have to think that it may have been someone else. So, I think it was proportional, yes. Taking the whole context, I don’t think I was wrong.
In the video, after he had offended Mrs., this is when he is already moving away from Mrs. starts running after him.
It’s the moment I fall. In fact he is not moving away. His car was on the opposite side, whereby he was walking.
What happened was that he called me a prostitute and at the time the head boiled and I wanted to hit him. My idea there was never to draw the gun. It was to exchange punch with him at first. And after I had the shot, I took the gun.
That was just an unfortunate attitude that I had to go after him. Unfortunately, it was where I made a mistake, to want to change the slaps, punch, with the man. I was never going to earn such a business.
As a woman I should have gone away, be careful of my life, to have held on …[Mas] That day I had spent the dawn receiving a lot of death threat. And that alert that I was ended up hurting my judgment.
If you are. Not being able to reverse ineligibility, do you want to go back to politics later?
I intend in 2030. They will not get rid of me anytime soon.
There is something in your path in politics that Mrs. Do you regret or do it differently?
This day of going after this boy. He should have gotten into the car and gone away, as he always did every time they tried to this day that they try to fight with me on the street. This day was the only day I didn’t leave, unfortunately. But I regret it, it should have left.
And something else?
Have trusted or donated too much for some people.
Someone in specific?
No. I don’t regret helping Bolsonaro, you know? Some people may think I can regret it. I don’t regret it, no. And I go to what I think is right.
X-ray | Carla Zambelli, 44
Founding activist of the group on the streets, gained notoriety in the protests by the impeachment of Dilma Rousseff (PT). He was elected federal deputy for PSL in 2018 and reelected by PL in 2022. He is a project manager, graduated in Business Strategic Planning at Nove de Julho University.
