Georg Knill’s hands are in continuous use in “ZiB 2” studio, they are far tense, high they are torn, constantly in spreading movement. They follow the arguments of the President of the Industrial Association, who also want to be far away and want to be kept together and still want to be held together. On the way, Knill admits that demands for higher funding for the economy and even harder savings are hardly compatible – they are still necessary, he says.