The Minister of Institutional Relations, said in an interview with Sheet that the and the INSS impaired the effort to recover the popularity of the president ().
“Even if you want to communicate positive measures, they are overshadowed by the administration of crises,” he says.
For her, however, the 40% approval level is a sufficient condition for reversal of the frame. The minister also acknowledged that part of the parties that today are part of the support base will be on the opposing field in the 2026 elections.
O . Is it possible to reverse it in time for elections?
The 40% level of approval to him and the government is a sufficient condition for a good electoral dispute. I’m sure the government will improve. It is showing what is happening to the population, the achievements of the government. We have time for that.
With the there was an expectation of improvement. Is it proof that the problem is not just communication?
We face crises that greatly impaired Sidonian’s communication effort. We had ae now. For sure, it has an impact on the evaluation of public opinion. Even so, it remains at a 40%level. From now on, we can reach more directly to the population. It is increasingly improving communication and political dispute in society. , talk more with the people. This is a picture that we revert.
Thinks the problem is just communication or recognizes a more structural, ?
I don’t think it’s a problem with communication. I think it has problems and has to improve. I am saying that in the meantime we had two great crises that completely absorbed the communication. So even if you want to communicate positive measures, they are overshadowed by the administration of crises.
It cannot be considered that we have a systematic opposition, very different from what we had in Lula’s first two terms. We did not have this militant opposition, which is the far right, a street opposition, the network, the congress and that competes all the time. This kept almost the reality we had in the electoral dispute.
With the INSS scandal, opposition tries to print the mark of corruption in Lula. How the government faces this issue, also at the moment the?
The opposition is playing her role. Regarding the INSS, the government is taking all measures and there is no doubt that this scheme has been set up in the past government. Until then, we had no entities without connection with a base. You may even criticize previous entities, but they have a social base, a service provided.
From 2018, 2017, we had entities that did not have this and that had a great growth in the discounts of the INSS sheet. You can say, “Ah, the government took time.” Perhaps it was our problem, but it did not stop investigating. Since 2023 the investigation has been done. Meanwhile, the government has taken all the measures and will reimburse the retirees’ money.
Can the adherence of Senate Petistas to the INSS CPMI impair the government’s articulation to prevent its installation? . Is there time to reverse?
I think CPMI is a reality. We are not afraid, no problem with CPMI. What I warned when there was this discussion is that this investigation through Congress may have an impact on police investigation.
The governmentalthough parties have representatives on the terrace. Mrs. Defend the resignation of nominees by “unfaithful” acronyms?
We always knew that we would not have 100% voting. By the way, in our campaign it was like this. We made a broad alliance with parties sectors that did not come whole with us. MDB came a part, had Simone candidacy [Tebet]; PSD came a part; PP came a part. It’s no use wanting to now come 100% [dos votos]. The articulation with Congress, especially with the presidents [Hugo] MOTTA AND [Davi] Alcolumbre, has been excellent, based on the sharing of institutional responsibilities.
O which is more linked to the opposition. How do you evaluate this contradiction?
We make coalition with who is possible to do. If it is not possible to do with the whole of the parties, which we do with a part. We need governability even with right -wing parties.
Even with parties that promise to oppose the president at some point?
A part of these parties [da base] You think you have to have another candidate. All good. We already had support from the MDB, with the MDB having its own candidacy.
President’s allies differ on the best strategy for 2026. An wing argues that some ministers remain in government. Others preach the launch of all who have electoral potential. What is your opinion?
I argue that everyone who has electoral potential compete. We need to have strong plates, we need to have a good election for the House, for the Senate.
Mrs. Want to compete?
I didn’t talk to the president, but within that view I think I would have to do it to help the plate and help the bench.
What should be the reaction of the government if the Trump government applies sanctions to the Supreme Court Minister Alexandre de Moraes?
We have reciprocity mechanisms. The Brazilian government will not accept these Trump measures. The president was clear in this sense of defense of Brazil’s sovereignty and democracy. It is not up to another country to apply sanctions here. Let’s not admit.
The association of Bolsonaro’s name to Donald Trump weighs against the former president?
It was a shame what they made going there celebrate Trump’s victory, then a shame wearing pro-rump bone, then a shame defending the measures Trump was taking against other countries, including Brazil. It is not defending your country. They are not nationalists at all.
Governor Tarcisio wore a Pro-Trump cap. Do you think this can be used against him in a possible election?
It was a shame that he used that cap. I think he even regretted it, because how does a state governor the size of Sao Paulo use a doll to praise and support a president who attacks his country? It is unfortunate.
Mrs. Do you consider that Tarcisio is the main opponent in 2026?
I do not make evaluation of opponents. The one who comes, we will face and we will win the election of any. They have a problem because they are divided, they do not know who their candidate is, even divided into the family. We have a unique candidate, who is Lula, and who is the best candidate.
Mrs. usually defends the first lady of criticism. How do you evaluate her performance?
It has a lot of prejudice regarding the performance of Janja. And a lot of gossip. Anything that has a problem stands on the back of the janja. She is a person who has political militancy, opinions, and it is valid to give her opinions and collaborate. We don’t want a first lady that is a vessel of ornament. It fulfills an important role, talks about important topics and has to be respected for it.
. Mrs. Do you think this is already buried or does the government still have any strategy on how to prevent PL from advancing?
The failure of the amnesty project is Bolsonaro’s biggest defeat, which will sit at the Bank of the defendants from this week, which is where he deserves to be in the Democratic Rule of Law. This theme of amnesty that mattered to him – we are not talking about the lipstick girl or the popcorn – is closed.
X -ray | Gleisi Hoffmann, 59
Federal Deputy licensed by Paraná, he is Minister of Institutional Relations of the Lula Government. Graduated in law, he was head of the Dilma Government Civil House and president of the PT from 2017 to 2025. He was a senator of the Republic from 2011 to 2019.
