Andrés Oppenheimer, columnist for Estadão and CNN en Español, heard from Javier Milei in an interview that he played with his “five” pets, although there were only four dogs in the house. Journalist Juan Luis González decided to investigate and found that there were five cloned animals of the Conan dog. The fifth died in 2020. But, according to Milei, he still “lived.”
This was González’s guiding thread to create the book The Forces of Heaven. Secrets, Confessions, and Hazards of the First Messianic Presidency, continuation of the first biography of Milei, The Crazy. Now the journalist reports the esoteric side of Argentine President Karina Milei and the political impact on the government. To Estadão, he explains the details and speaks of Milei’s relationship with the Bolsonaro family. Next, the main excerpts of the interview.
Why did you write a sequence of the biography?
I deepened the research. In the first book, Milei was a congressman. Today, he is president. In the first biography, I couldn’t show how esotericism and supernatural influence Milei. In 2021, this was not clear. Now he always mentions the dichotomy between light and darkness, life and death, the struggle of good against evil. Milei abandoned her liberal side and is showing her mystical side. Some may say it’s bizarre. Others, which is worrying. But I realized that mysticism is central to him, the way his decisions are made. So I thought another book was needed. In Argentina, the degree of esotericism that inhabits Quinta de Olivos (official residence of the president) is not taken seriously. For Milei, politics is a means. The end is religion.
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What do you mean when you talk about Milei’s mysticism?
Milei is original. The abomination of traditional religions combined with elements of Argentine myths. This cloned dog thing is very young. Basically, Milei is convinced that a supernatural event has happened to him in childhood and since then he has been guided by a force of heaven. This made him enter politics. This is what I want to say with esotericism. Many people around you believe this is real. The reason Milei is increasingly religious is that, according to him, the prophecy was fulfilled when he became president.
Does he believe he was chosen by God?
Yes, he tells this to a lot of people (González refers to the report of the same version of the president: at age 11, after a violent beating of his father, his sister appears to help him and see a ray of light bringing a divine message). This is known, but it was never taken very seriously, because no one thought he would be elected president. Those who heard this story believed it was part of their eccentricity. Some even considered worrying, but preferred to ignore.
Did he dismiss the chief of staff because of the leakage of information about the cloning of dogs?
Not just for that, but in part. There was a police crash against government high -ranking employees after the news is released. Milei’s emotional collapse in front of members of his team came out in three media outlets. The main reason for the layoffs was the claim that Milei is very reserved. No one knows their daily activities. He goes to Casa Rosada once a week, at most two. It receives few people – this is proven in the entry records of Quinta de Olivos.
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To enter the group near Milei, the condition is to believe on their messianic side, although the big doubt is to what extent they are convinced. Before being elected, many in his party mocked this mysticism, including the vice president (Victoria Villarruel). Others preferred to minimize. Some, however, knew this could be a problem. Remember that Casa Rosada has changed the law of access to public information by decree to avoid reports on dogs. The theme became taboo. Even those who do not believe, treat him as a messiah.
Mr. He says Milei’s assets increased 500% in his first year. How did this happen?
There is not much mystery in this. His sister Karina has an illegal fundraising scheme through cryptocurrency blows and paid meetings with her brother. Milei’s campaign was very austere. He did not visit even half of the provinces. Where is this campaign left? The two brothers left many clues. We all know that justice moves according to the political rhythm, but I think they will have a big problem.
Mr. He said Karina charged for meetings between $ 3,000 and $ 5,000. Is this proven?
Yes of course. It was during the campaign, which began in 2021, and continued to the cryptocurrency Libra scandal. Many say they paid to find Milei. I saw Karina chats asking for money from entrepreneurs. It’s dirty money. Not in the declaration of assets.
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Is Karina the real commander of the political project?
It is the most convinced of all this. Almost everyone in their circle shares this esotericism. She makes many decisions based on tarot letters. In private conversations, Milei says that thanks to Karina’s angelic channeling and her ability to communicate with angels, she was able to talk to God. This also explains Karina’s power in the government. She has psychological control, but also a mystical control over her brother.
Milei says he says doctor in economics, but isn’t he?
He says he has a Honoris Doctor Title causa from ESEADE (Business School in Buenos Aires). But fearful titles are not doctorate. He never presented a thesis and never explained that he did not get the title. When I was searching for my first book in 2022, I found that Milei plagiarized one of his speeches and thought it was just that. It was later proven that he had plagued at least six different authors in his books.
Bolsonaro was very important for Milei, when he was a deputy and during the presidential campaign. It was the first big figure of the new global right to validate it. Eduardo Bolsonaro went to Buenos Aires in the primaries, in support, and the secretary of the chancel, Nahuel Sotelo, is close to the Bolsonaro family. It is worth remembering that the founder of the newspaper La Derecha Diario, a fervent supporter of Milei, was investigated for the attempt to blow against Lula. After Milei became president, his ties with the Bolsonaro family weakened. He is no longer such an ally, although Milei has criticized the accusations against Bolsonaro.
