When he lost the ones in São Paulo, in October last year, the influencer quickly turned the page. He returned to running his business, going viral on the internet with unusual content and for people who dream of getting rich.
His actions, however, will not be easily forgotten. The businessman accused —falsely and repeatedly— his opponent, the current minister, of snorting cocaine, including publishing a .
In an interview with Sheet in his company’s building in Alphaville, in Barueri (Greater SP), the influencer talks about that period, which he refers to as “war” and “madness”. He holds his lawyer, Tassio Renam Botelho, responsible for publishing the report (both were denounced by the Public Electoral Ministry) and says that he was also defamed by the other candidates.
Tassio was contacted by the report, but did not respond. Their defense in the Electoral Court was based on the “right to free expression of thought” and that the content conveyed was not fabricated, merely disseminated.
At the beginning of the month, the Regional Electoral Court of São Paulo reversed the first instance, which dealt with the paid recording of videos for candidates, as well as the penalty of ineligibility. The court will still judge two other decisions, and he will only be considered ineligible if one of the sentences is confirmed.
The influencer talks about a possible candidacy for President in 2026. He says he is disconnected from the subject, but does not rule out running. He states that none of the presidential candidates he likes and that he supports . For him, there is a lack of protagonism among right-wing leaders, who were held hostage by the former president (PL).
Marçal says that the president was “the biggest disappointment of all time”, but also recognizes him as “the most influential politician in history”. Despite the last election, including personal attacks on his opponents, he states that Brazil needs pacification: “We had to stop with this noise, it’s a lot of confusion.”
What changed a year after the elections?
The election is crazy. There’s no difference in my life, but those 90 days straight from the election are a nightmare for any human being. You are deprived of not being with the one you love, you have to be surrounded by security guards on a frightening level.
Ali [na eleição] someone needed to attract attention, someone purposely played the archetype of rebel, court jester. If not, you won’t be able to reach anyone’s ear.
From the debate, Mr. came out, right?
Thank God, that was really good, it’s crazy. [José Luiz] Datena apologized, I also resolved it with him. He seems like a very good guy, but as I saw that he was more emotionally shaken than everyone else, I ended up going after him.
Mr. Do you regret something?
As I know time, Cronos doesn’t allow us to go back, but I don’t think it’s necessary [daqui para frente] do most things. It has already been sanctified, known, I gave the message.
I wanted to know if Mr. You feel like you’ve crossed the line in some situations. Mr. he repeated that Guilherme Boulos had been arrested for drug possession and then published that report, which everyone saw.
Except me, I was on a podcast when the team posted. To this day I have not seen this report. I think this was completely unnecessary. If I knew it was an adverse situation in reality I would never approve.
Mr. Didn’t you see the report on the networks?
I didn’t see, they knocked down my nets.
But Mr. Never asked to see the document?
I never played. I never messed with it again, it’s irrelevant to me. There are crazy people in elections sending dossiers all day long. Now believe in crazy people… Whoever on the team that funded this posted it, respond and resolve it.
Who was it?
The lawyer.
O Tassio [Renam Botelho]?
AND. Everything will be fine because he is a guy of good faith, I think someone got into his head.
The logo on the fake report is from Mais Clínicas, and the partner had already appeared with Mr. on Instagram.
Imagine how many people I don’t take photos of, I take 500 photos in a day.
But it’s not much of a coincidence that Mr. went to the doctor’s clinic…
I went a few times and everywhere I go, as I’m very influential, everyone wants to take a photo. Photo won’t change anything.
But the issue isn’t the photo, it’s that Mr. I knew this man and his clinic was used in the falsified report.
It’s not the same clinic.
It is not the clinic where Mr. consulted, but he is the [do laudo].
Will I know how many companies someone has?
Mr. repeated in the debates that Boulos had been arrested for drug possession. We discovered that your campaign had a confidential process number. Mr. Didn’t you know it wasn’t the real Boulos?
I remember a report about that, but we never showed it. I think you were fussing over something that someone was threatening to post. But you anticipated this news without me giving you this process. I never linked to it and it was never posted.
But Mr. It said he had been arrested.
Saying is one thing, but I didn’t bring the process, you went there and hunted. You made an inference, like “this is the process”. I didn’t know. That’s what I told you, a lot of people are on top of it all the time bringing dossiers.
But why did Mr. said with so much certainty something that I wasn’t sure about?
They said the same things about me. She spoke atrocities and I never saw you questioning them. He [Boulos] He said things that didn’t make any sense. They defamed me, I never saw you questioning anything.
Mr. Would you be ready to join a campaign again?
Not now. I’m focused on family, business. If I feel it in my heart, it will be different, but right now I’m 100% disconnected from it. To the disappointment of many people, including yours (smiles). At the right time, if my heart says go, I will.
After the election your engagement…
A year is falling. There were a lot of people frustrated about not winning. The person wants me to stay in the election.
There are people who are emotionally sick to this day because of the election of the [Jair] Bolsonaro in 2022. Dude, mind your own business. The same minute I saw the graph turning, I turned and left, let’s go to work.
Who are you? Do you see yourself as the greatest leader of the right?
Naturally, the person who governs the state of São Paulo, the . Without Bolsonaro’s blessing, he’s worth half as much. With Bolsonaro’s blessing, without the sympathy he should have, he is worth about 70% of a person who should compete with Lula.
I’m seeing research that some people send to me and I think people are a little fed up with this story about Lula and Bolsonaro. I think that if a different person comes out, who shows a path that we haven’t followed yet and who isn’t sponsored by anyone, there’s a chance of breaking that.
And that person won’t be Mr.
Today I can’t answer that. But it has to be someone with a similar profile, outsider, prosperous.
One thing that surprised in the São Paulo election was that, for the first time, a political figure, you, managed to circumvent the influence that Bolsonaro had over voters. Is Bolsonaro weakened?
The right and the left have no owner, they lack a protagonist. Bolsonaro would even support me, he didn’t support me because he needed the MDB and the MDB to resolve these processes there. It ended up not being resolved. But yes, I have to pray his playbook for him to support it. I went to talk to him, and he said that the election would fall into my lap.
Mr. Do you think he sold himself to the center?
Not sold, politics is like that. The guy starts by promising that he is pure, then ends up doing some things that don’t make sense and, to resolve it, instead of admitting it, he ends up having to negotiate. The center rules the country, there’s no such thing as left and right. Those who run the country are not the guys who preach principles, they are the guys who preach money.
In 2026, does Lula move to the right or has a chance?
As it stands today, Lula is no loser to anyone. Unfortunately, Lula is the most influential politician in history.
[Mas] Each year of Lula now represents 10 thousand, due to the fact that he is senile. If this year he has the fall that [Joe] Biden had it, there is a 100% probability of it going wrong for him. The good part is that, as Lula is the only hope, he is not training anyone.
Are there new leaders on the right? What would be an example?
Nikolas needs command presence and age. Life is so bad that the option ends up being the least worst. For me, it doesn’t have to be any of those out there. The problem with political anxiety is that everyone thinks the options are there. They are not. You build when you’re not happy, when you don’t want to. I ask God that new people rise up. Everyone is held hostage by Bolsonaro.
Mr. Are you waiting for the resolution of your Electoral Court cases to talk about candidacy?
No, zero. They keep calling me all the time and I [falo] “Don’t bother me, no.” I don’t even know why I accepted this interview. It starts to trigger desire that doesn’t make sense in a lot of people.
I believe in God’s justice and I really believe in sensible people in the Judiciary. There are a lot of people who are foolish, like everywhere.
The right hit Mr. last year because mr. didn’t get up [a voz] against the minister.
I spoke about Alexandre. The thing is, I don’t say what I don’t want. I don’t have to.
Mr. Would you place Moraes in the column of righteous or not righteous judges?
I don’t know the processes. Bolsonaro pushed hard for radicalization and Moraes pushed for the other side. Brazil has to return to pacification, otherwise we will live in this war. We had to stop this nonsense, it’s a lot of confusion.
X-ray – Pablo Marçal, 38
Influencer, speaker and entrepreneur. With a law degree from Universidade Paulista, he was a candidate for mayor of São Paulo for the PRTB in the 2024 elections, with 28% of the votes in the first round.
