The son of former President Jair Bolsonaro (PL), the federal deputy licensed (PL-SP) states that the governor (Republicans) made a mistake with the US embassy. “It’s a disrespect for me,” he told Sheet.
“We have already proved that we are even more effective than Itamaraty himself. The president’s son, exiled in the United States. I wanted to look for a side alternative. It is a disrespect for me. But I am not seeking conviction of the population, I am seeking to press Moraes,” he added.
It also states that it does not regret the pressure it made for retaliation to Brazil in the US even if it may favor President Lula (PT). It also says that it will only return to Brazil if Minister Alexandre de Moraes, from the Supreme Court (STF), suffering sanctions from the United States government.
Quoted as a candidate for president next year, Tarcísio sought to remove wear on the tariff crisis to Brazil announced by and last week he rounded conversations that passed the former president (), ministers of the (Supreme Court) and those in Brazil.
The Government (PT) has associated the economic consequences of the tariff with opposition, including Tarcisio, Bolsonaro’s ally.
Does your decision to give up your mandate?
Look, I still have advisers giving me some inputs here, but if I need to… I can’t hit the hammer because if I have an alternative not to lose, I’ll lose. But the deadline ends July 21 or 22, if I’m not mistaken, the end of July. If necessary, I don’t come back. And I don’t see the possibility that I go back, because if I get back, they call it to arrest me. But most likely [vou abrir mão].
What options do you have?
Evair de Melo made a proposal to change the regiment, which would be valid for very exceptional cases like mine, so that I can exercise the mandate even at a distance, voting by telephone and cell phone. It was an innovation brought during the pandemic.
What is the chance that it works out, do you think?
I don’t know. Our people who are articulating there inside the chamber.
What is your desire?
My wish would be to have a normal country where the deputy was not arrested for speaking or relating to international authorities. My wish is that a right deputy has the same right as a leftist deputy. Because in the past, Boulos went to Portugal, Zanin, for example, campaigned for Lula Livre in several international courts, have already applied for arrest of Jair Bolsonaro in the ICC, and never gave anything. But apparently, they want to get the Bolsonaro out of the presidential race and the possibility that I succeed it as well. So, if Brazil is a country that makes politics this way, the judiciary is that it does politics, then it means that there is no harmony between powers and Brazil is not a democracy, it is a dictatorship. And it will be given to him the treatment of dictatorship. It is wrong to think that they can live in a dictatorship and have the benefits of the free world. And Trump did not use full strength. He could have done much more.
What is the total force? What can he do?
It can reach the extreme of doing Russia equal to Russia.
Threaten with 100% tariffs?
He froze Russia’s access to the entire SWIFT system, prohibited US companies from making investment in Russia from receiving Russian investment. He froze well from a lot of Russian oligarch. In fact, it was Biden. But I want to say the following. The US government has much more instruments larger than, more sensitive than 50%tariff. Trump has already warned of his letter. It will add this to the percentage of 50% moral fare that would total a total of 100% tariff.
Now is your desire to remain a deputy?
Just to go back… Congress approved an innocuous law. And it causes me strange people from the right to support the reciprocity bill, because it still gives Lula’s opportunity to say that it is acting in the name of Brazilian institutions, the whole Brazilian people, because it was an approved project with the support of many right -wing people. A bill that had the initiative of Senator Teresa Cristina.
Now you are being widely criticized, even by some members of the right, who are not supporting these tariffs. Zema himself, for example, made public say that tariffs are not positive, Tarcisio …
Zema and Tarcisio came to say this after initial statements, much firmly, and came to say that probably after telephone conversations, right? I can’t prove it, but I think they took some pressure. Mainly the zema. The Supreme Court is running behind the scenes to pressure Brazilian businessmen and Brazilian politicians trying to judge all this. But Trump was very clear. He is putting the rates because of what? Big Techs regulation. They sent a message to Americans that regulating the internet regardless of what Americans could do in retaliation. So now, hold the wave. So now it’s time to be a man, take responsibility and understand that what Trump is asking are actions of the Brazilian judiciary, internet regulation, clean and transparent elections and stop persecution of Bolsonaro and his supporters. This is why I have hit the key that it is not a matter of Lula the Lula will double bet, Lula is irresponsible, Lula has no commitment to the public interest. He will want to throw Brazil on the lap of China and Russia, he is finding all this wonderful, seeing how a unique possibility of him trying to rescue his popularity. And what have I spoken? Leaves Lula aside. Forget Lula. Lula will die alone politically. The focus is on Moraes.
Anyway, regarding Zema and Tarcisio, that was their final position. Yesterday Jair Bolsonaro himself admitted that the tasks would not be beneficial to the country, making an appeal by appeal. So I ask you, is there any kind of regret in your attitude?
None. What is not beneficial for the country is to continue playing Veinha in jail, is to continue calling the party’s president when it has to vote for maintaining Daniel Silveira’s arrests. To solve the problem you have to act in the cause, and the cause is institutional. Either Brazil behaves like a democracy, or it will be 50% more.
Although you say it’s not about the Lula administration, the government is exploring it widely. There are people talking about a Mark Carnery effect in Brazil, I mean, saying that this could favor Lula and be a shot in the foot to the right. How do you respond to this, given what is happening in Brazil?
These are comparisons due, because in Brazil the election is in 2026. There is a situation that is different from that of Canada, this institutional crisis that we live, of political persecution, etc. Now, everything has a risk. If this tariff is taken from the equation, Brazil will have that path of an election again without the opposition participation in 2026. It will have only one allowed opposition.
Are you referring to Tarcisio?
I’m talking about anyone that the system leaves eligible for next year. Why are they wanting to arrest me? Why Jair Bolsonaro is ineligible.
Good, government and judiciary are firm to say that there will be no retreat.
So before improving you will have to get worse. I never saw Trump back. Trump has already been successful in negotiations with Trudeau in Canada, with Mexico in Iran, not even talking. So, I don’t think Brazil will be the first country to succeed against Trump.
And what perspective of improvement would this be?
He, as I understand it, will apply August 1st only 50% rates and then he will be doing the reanalysis.
But if until 2026 continues the same scenario?
It is Venezuela. I will start receiving Brazilians here in the United States, help them with the visa process.
At no point, then, do you think this was a mistaken decision?
I don’t think, I think it’s very right. And in the end, when we are victorious, people will realize that.
How do you expect to convince the population if there is an assessment that most of the population is against the rates for the effects they can cause in economically for the country and in their own pockets?
But I am not seeking to convince the population, I am seeking to press Moraes. If Moraes understands that it is worth locking the 70 -year -old candle in jail, treating a terrorist, sentenced to 14, 15, 16, is the price that the country will pay. It doesn’t depend on me anymore. I have no power on Trump, I don’t think even his wife has power over him.
The only way out for Brazil to get rid of this tariff is with Alexandre de Moraes to retreat. Among the many points that Trump has set, the first effective signs that there is a desire to sit down to negotiate the fare with Americans is to approve the amnesty.
How did this solution come from tariffs? Why until then, did you talk about specific sanctions?
It was a decision from Trump.
But was that a suggestion you gave him?
No, it was a decision from Trump. I think the way he found is the most effective way to make pressure.
And the sanctions are on the table?
Yes yes. This then continues to run in parallel.
And are your expectation to leave?
Yes, I expect to leave yes. I think it is important to highlight the following. If the magnitsky law is applied, there is already margin for you to apply beyond Moraes. He can apply to Moraes’s wife, on top of Fábio Schorr, over other Brazilian authorities. So if the Brazilian authorities want to present themselves and foresee this case of chaos for themselves individually, it is providential that they read the Trump letter and act quickly to disarm this bomb.
Was the trial of Marco Civil was important to accelerate this decision? Why now, since it was talking …
I think it was very important.
You talked to your father about this subject, obviously, right? What is his position?
I don’t speak for him, Julia. It is hostage to the system. It’s good for him to talk to him because it’s a lot of responsibility for me to talk about his name.
And did you talk to Tarcisio?
Tarcisio used the wrong channels. The president’s son is in the United States. Tarcisio has nothing to want to sew on the outside a decision that will probably reach another snail agreement. Tarcisio has to understand that the president’s son is in the United States and has access to the White House. Any attempt to love us will be stamped and braked. We have already proved that we are even more effective than Itamaraty himself. The president’s son, exiled in the United States. I wanted to look for a side alternative. It’s a disrespect for me. Can you put the team? It looks good on Tele too.
And your claim to be a candidate for president? Just claim to be a candidate for president? Do you have a chance yet?
Only if Moraes is sanctioned. Otherwise there is no way. If I return to Brazil today, I am arrested. But I think it has hope to be sanctioned and we can succeed.
If it is sanctioned, what will be the effect of this?
Will be weakened.
