A wants to hear from businesswoman Roberta Luchsinger to clarify mentions of an alleged allowance payment to Fábio Luís da Silva, known as Lulinha.
Based on the testimony, the corporation will decide whether to summon the son of President Lula (PT) to provide clarifications in the investigation into fraud in INSS (National Social Security Institute) pensions.
According to people who follow the case, this is one of the reasons that led investigators to summon her to give a statement. Last week, .
Partner at RL Consultoria e Intermediações, Roberta appears in the investigations as one of the links between Lulinha and the lobbyist Antônio Camilo Antunes, known as Careca from INSS. She has already been the target of search and seizure warrants.
The PF analyzes financial transactions and deviations in order to find out whether the president’s son was suspected of being Lulinha. The investigators, however, want to avoid a broader investigation, which could be interpreted as an investigation into the son of the President of the Republic.
Lulinha had his orders by order of the minister, of the (Supreme Federal Court), at the request of the PF itself. There was, however, no breach of confidentiality by companies belonging to the president’s son.
The data is in the forensic stage and is being analyzed to check the veracity of the information cited in dialogues. The corporation opted to break confidentiality before taking any more drastic measures, such as search and seizure, to avoid unfounded requests and ensure the verification of allegations made by third parties.
Lulinha’s defense denies, in a note, any participation by him in INSS fraud, even making himself available to the STF for further clarification.
“It will be up to the authorities to determine the need for a statement after the clarifications and ongoing hearings, which we await with absolute tranquility and the same collaborative intention and availability”, said lawyer Guilherme Suguimori Santos.
A former employee of the lobbyist, Edson Claro, said in testimony that Antunes paid this amount monthly to Lulinha and that he publicly flaunted his connection with the son of the President of the Republic. Lulinha’s breach of confidentiality, however, does not include direct transfers from Antunes to him.
The PF found evidence of payments of this amount to businesswoman Roberta Luchsinger, a friend of Lulinha. The investigation wants to determine whether she passed the money to the president’s son or someone else.
The investigations carried out by the Federal Police take place within the scope of , which investigates fraud in INSS benefit discounts.
Currently, the PF considers that the operation, whose first phase was launched in April 2025, is heading towards its final half. There are suspicions regarding possible operators and beneficiaries of the scheme, including lawyers.
However, the operation could still yield consequences with plea bargains that have been negotiated. One of them is with businessman Maurício Camisotti, one of the main operators of the scheme.
Camisotti was arrested in September last year, along with Antunes. He discusses the possibility of closing an agreement with the PF.
In a phase of the operation carried out at the end of last year, the PF claimed to have detected payments of R$300,000 made on Antunes’ orders to the businesswoman friend of Lulinha. In total, Roberta Luchsinger would have received, in installments, R$1.5 million from the lobbyist.
In messages reported by investigators, Antunes asks a financial operator to pay an installment of R$300,000 to a company in Roberta’s name, RL Consultoria e Intermediações.
The operator asks who would be the recipient of the money. Antunes responds that he would be “the boy’s son” and then receives proof of payment for Roberta’s company.
At the time, the PF was evaluating the suspicion that he was referring to Lulinha and that .
Roberta’s defense says, since the occasion, that her company works with the prospecting and intermediation of business with national and foreign companies “and, in this context, it was approached last year by the company Brasília Consultoria Empresarial S/A, owned by Antônio Carlos Camilo Antunes, to act in the regulation of the cannabidiol companies sector”.
The lawyers point out that there were only initial negotiations that did not succeed, and that they took place before the INSS discount deviations were revealed.
The investigations into Lulinha then advanced towards discovering whether Roberta made payments to him, financing trips taken by the president’s son, through transfers from Antunes.
When contacted again, the defense said that Roberta is available to collaborate. “We are interested in her explaining herself,” he said.
